You replaced good quality pictures with completely different low quality pictures! And This were mostly my pictures which I uploaded some days ago!
Don't think you can delte my posts so nobody see what you are doing. If you do so then be that honest to show this to others too. I restore your delted messages from me and tora (just like this one). I don't even think your other two friends know about that. Now they can see.
I changed them all back now and you are blocked. Till now I have no understanding for you. THIS was really really underhand. You thought I wouldn't notice if you replace some other pictures which other members uploaded here? How can you be that egoistic. Just to reach what only YOU want. I was to kind hearted to you. Giving you so much chances. Tora was already mad cause I didn't wanted to block you. If it was her, she had blocked you without talking. I should have listen to her.
Yeah, absolutely better quality. Not to mention that this is a completely different picture of Weed. All of your replaced pictures were like this example. You just wanted to remove my pictures, because of reasons nobody knows and nobody would understand... I'm lucky I was still online, otherwise I don't want to imagine how many pictures I would have had to put back tomorrow. You finished with Gin and Weed and already begun with Reika. And the worst is you also replaced pictures of other members... Just to cover up a bit your doings.
That’s enough! If none of you can respect the structure of the galleries you are free to leave and start your own website or wiki for images. That rude behaviour from one of you is and will NOT EVER be accepted on here! Sure, you have made a great work with editing on here over the years, absolutly, but that is NO EXCUSE for being downright mean to one of the admins, or anyone at all! Everyone who’s a Ginga-fan has the right to say something, as this is a WIKI and not a forum or website you can run on your own. People may not edit much, but they still come here for info and such and therefore have a say of how it shall look like. Me and Blivery listened to OTHERS, including you, to come up with a structure that would work for everyone and make it easy, that’s how admins work. No one had claimed this wiki for years, and we sent messages to the former Admins and Founder that hadn’t even bene online for YEARS on either site I know they’re member of, to see if they would be up for an update. But since no one been seen for years, we took the chance, and descided give Ginga Wiki a makeover, and do stuff that was on the to-do-list and more. You can’t do however you like on a page your not an admin of. And as we’re both new to this admin on here, we’ve been in contact with a few Ginga-fans who’s been admin of their own Gingasites for help with stuff as admins.
If you continue to not respect the Gallery structure and being that rude again, you WILL BE BANNED! I feel sorry if one or some of you don’t have anything to do with this, but Keznen is ONE account and will be treated as one.
Oh, so Blivery and you can be mean but I can't be mean when defending myself against you?! Are you kidding me right now?! You obviously don't care about anyone's feelings except yours and your friend. Why don't you try and think about how I FEEL when YOU TALK ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK! And it sure doesn't feel nice for you to act like I'm WORTHLESS just because I'm not an admin! You think I'M rude?! Look at yourself, Tora! You gossiped about me, and basically called me and my friends below you! If I'M rude, then YOU ARE TOO! I'm very angry and betrayed by you right now! ALL I EVER WANTED TO DO ON THIS WIKIA WAS HELP! Do you know how many HOURS I spent on here?! AM I NOTHING TO YOU?! AM I WORTHLESS?! TELL ME TORA, AM I WORTHLESS TO YOU! AM I?! Don't you dare act like Blivery was the only one with hurt feelings. I feel like all of my efforts are meaningless to you. You know honestly, I think I misunderstood Blivery, and I'm sorry to her for that and I was gonna apologize to her. But YOU one the other hand, I can see now that you are legitimately hurtful. You really don't care, do you? Maybe you don't even care about Blivery. Maybe all you care about is this wiki and your oh-so-perfect gallery structures, and you're just using her as an excuse for your agenda. Tell me honestly, do you REALLY CARE about her? Do you REALLY CARE about me and my friends and all the other users? Because from the way you've been acting, it seems like you wouldn't give a crap if I just shot myself in the head right now.
Jeez Tass, calm down. Talk about overreacting. The majority of people who contribute to the site or just come here for information wants to use the gallery structure as it is. Threatning to commit suicide is very serious, I think you need to seek some professional help.
Please don't do this any longer :/ I feel very sorry for you, I don't want to hurt your feelings or anything like that, but maybe some help would be good for you. You can talk to your friends louise or ked or if you want you can also talk to me. I will never be against you as person and if i see someone needs a bit help i will always be there. If this would help you be free to add me on skype (you can find me on my profile here). Trust me I don't bite even if i can seem like doing that sometimes. I won't.
It is really not just us thinking that it's not right how you act sometimes... and we try to tell you that. We tried it friendly but you never understood.. this is just our last option now and I really don't want to do that :/ also because I think your two other friends are not involved in this problem. Please listen to us, and like I said: contact me if you could feel better then. I'm also just a human and I can understand how you feel. By now it's up to you what you do. our intention is everything but not being mean to you, or make you feel that bad. Please understand finally. :/ And pleose don't harm yourself or anything like that...
Well Blivery, why don't you tell Tora to stop talking about me behind my back on GingaBoard?
I'm not actually suicidal. I was just feeling super betrayed, angry, and walked on. So I used that as an example of how I don't think Tora would actually care. The closest I've ever been to suicidal is grabbing a butter knife and slashing up my walls.
PS: Louise actually kinda likes you two. Ked won't speak about this, but trust me, he'd be very angry if he did.
don't understand it wrong, she didn't talked behind your back about you. She just asked people for help who have more experience than us being an admin. So to say, she wanted to see if we are right or wrong. If the person/the people had tell her that it's not okay what we are doing, we would stop it. but after they read all our clashes, they were on our side.
I really don't want to ban a so important member for a while. Also because it's mostly (or only) you going against us and not your two other friends. It wouldn't be fair for them. I don't know but maybe you could think about making own accounts so it would be easier. But this is all your desicion. What I want to say is to just please stop this finally.. otherwise I just have to do this even if I don't want it. It's good that you stand up for your own opinion that much but you should learn to notice when it's too much. Or just to accept. Like I said, feel free to talk to me, I'm not mad at you or something. But when you don't want to accept the right, I just have to argue with you. No, your opinion is not bad, it's just not the only one. You understand?
I was really down for a moment after you wrote me that one message.. but tora helped me and the opinion of the others showed me what's right to do. Please stop being stubborn and come along with us. It would be easier for us all. If not, then you know what I have to do.. And if I really ban you, It's not because I don't like you, It's because I have to.. otherwise this won't have an end.. I'm very sorry for this :/
I will wait for your answer now, please think about it. excuse me if you didn't understand something because of my english. And i'm happy to hear you're okay, had some worries first.
I must say I didn't knew about this and I asked her. She said it's something like a "crypto" cause it's just one sentence and doesn't has a topic. But yeah I see your point. for us it's obvious what this sentence is about but I don't think you should worry that someone other understood this. Sorry for that.
But I hope we will get along now somehow... Just so you know we'll keep the gallery structure rules. Please try to accept this :/ You don't have to feel betrayed because of this. Like I said: Your opinion is not bad, but there are others too. You okay with this?
when we made gallery rules we agreed that there will be no headers after style. we asked on gb and gs for opinions and we summed them up. this is how they are now. these are the gallery structures now. Everyone agreed. idk what your problem again is? Is it so important to make it different than what our rules say? If so then tell it on gb and we'll see what they say (though we did a while ago, but you don't like it somehow). For me, I don't think thats okay. Really don't know what always your problem is, but i won't say too much again cause then we'll be the godly admins again cause we don't do as you wish. sorry but that's always the point. I always feel bad because of you, cause i always have to discuss with you about stuff like that. This is not your wiki and it's not my or tora's wiki. It's for everyone and we want to make it reliable and orderly for everyone but there's no point if we can't move on just because you don't like something or cause you want it only how you want it.
I don't think it's wrong how me and tora so that. Imagine there are more active Users and everyone absolutely want to do it like they want, no matter what. It would be a big mess. We are lucky you're the only one being like that. It's always the same and the reason I don't want to help here (why I'm not doin much here). Please let stuff like that be. I really dislike this (and not only me). Hope you finally understand. Really don't want to be rude or mad but it's just not okay. If this won't stop we'll contact other ginga fans and ask them what to do. We'll just feel helpless soon.
by the way it's okay if there are different styles, i see them too in each picture in the first volumes. but thats no reason to make headers for it (apart from that it's against the gallery structures). if it would go after style gin's gallery would look completely different. This is an old and clarified topic. You can add this to GDW's trivia that the first volumes show up different styles, that's okay. I see that too.
You know, ever since you appeared out of nowhere and decided that the wiki needed drastic changes, I knew this wiki’s entire functional order would go downhill. Then Louise goes and says, “Oh she just wants to help, it’s fine.” Pfft, whatever. I think she’s just too nice sometimes. Speaking of me and her, do you even know that this is a group account? It says it right on our userpage.
As if I hadn’t spent months doing most of the editing on this wikia when no one but us and Kitsune were active? Where the hell were GB and GS when that was going on, huh? Why should they even have a say if they’re not gonna pitch in and actually work on this site too?
You know, I can never tell if it’s the language barrier or if you’re just putting that “I don’t want to sound rude or mad” thing at the end as an excuse to be rude. And don’t call me hypocritical; I’m only using this tone since you appeared to be.
And just what do you mean by “feel bad because of you”? Are me and my friends making you sad or something? Funny, since I dunno about you but I’ve had a lot worse happen. Have you ever been separated from someone for a long time and cried every freaking night over it? Have you ever lied to everyone about your feelings because you didn’t want anyone’s pity? Well that was me last year. Don’t tell me you or Tora feel “helpless” unless you also lied awake every night missing someone and not being able to see them.
We know it’s not our wiki, I know it’s not my wiki. We have GTPOK wiki for that. But you know what is ours? Our contributions. Our many contributions.
Oh, and if you don’t wanna to help, then why are you here? Why’d you ever come here? If you don’t wanna help then why not go back to whatever it was you were doing before?
You know what I dislike? The lack of precise order. You know why we put specific headers? Because without them, it becomes disorderly. Mixing different styles is disorderly. I tried compromising by renaming the headers to volume/chapter, but apparently that’s not freaking good enough for you.
I’m just gonna be honest with you now and say I’m really freaking frustrated with you right now. You’ve been getting on my nerves a lot lately. Tora too, honestly, but not as much. At least she can sort of compromise.
Why not change your little gallery structures to be more precise, hmm? Nobody said anything about how me, Louise, and Ked had ordered the galleries until you and the overhaul came along.
PS: No, I can never fully understand you because half of what you say always makes no sense. I usually give a pass to people whose native language isn’t English with their grammar but you’re honestly pushing it since you’re acting like I’ll be able to understand everything you say.
Yeah... maybe you're right about me. I should leave this stuff to you. I even can't write good enough in english so people can understand me.. Think I won't make big changes in this wiki again or contradict you. I'm sorry. Guess I did no good at the end. I'll leave this things to you now.
What I meant with "I feel bad because of you?". I always think it's wrong what I say, when people don't think the same as me. When I have my opinion about something I never know if it's right. And if we discuss and it has no end I feel even worse.
and honestly, I know what you mean. I hate telling that to people but you told me too so. Yeah.(I deleted this part cause nobody has to know my personal problems). And I guess it was a mistake to make decisions here in this wiki. It seems I'm not the right one for it. But if anyone has problems or questions you can feel free to ask.
But back to it: Me and Tora don't like this with style changes but I won't say anything again. At the end it will be like you want it anyway. And I don't think it's good for me to see that people dislike me because of it. Wanted to help but I'm out now. Why am I writing so much again if nobody understands me? Yeah.. it's senseless to go against you. So I'm leaving this to you.
Why did you take away the colon ( : ) in the Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin? It is suppose to be there hence to the Japanese title "銀牙 -流れ星 銀-" or "銀牙―流れ星銀". "Nagareboshi Gin" is an undertitle to the maintitle "Ginga". Otherwise it would just have been "銀牙流れ星銀". Therefore the colon ( : ) after Ginga in Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin.
Same is for 銀牙~THE LAST WARS~, as Ginga: The Last Wars. Also with a colon ( : ). As The Last Wars clearly is an undertitle (a big undertitle compeared to Nagareboshi Gin, but still). Even without the "~" on most titles, it's clearly an undertitle based on how it's written.
Ginga Densetsu Weed Orion (銀牙伝説WEEDオリオン) is an example where it actually shall NOT be a colon ( : ) after Weed at all.
1. You NEVER represent a hyphen set or a dash with a colon. They’re two different punctuation marks.
2. A tilde isn’t the same as hyphens or dashes either.
3. Most people know GNG without a colon or anything of the like, so it’d be better to just leave it be. Ginga Board and Ginga Scans both don’t use colons. Wikipedia is the only site we’ve found that does, but they aren’t a good source when it comes to stuff like Ginga.
You COULD make an alternate title section INSTEAD and put the colon-including title there for GNG, and put the colonless title there for GDW:O. It would be best to leave GNG colonless, and to leave GTLW and GDW:O with colons.
I didn't go after the Wikipedia at all, as I know very well it's not a good sourcematerial. On any official product of GNG, I see Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin, with a colon. For example are the Swedish and Finnish DVD's:
This Wikia/Fandom shall go after these official of how to spell out GNG in full: Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin.
The shortening of the name, GNG, is gonna stay the same, it's the full name that's gonna have colons.
Though, I agree with you on the Ginga Densetsu Weed: Orion and Ginga: The Last Wars. As Orion in GDW:O is a follow up on GDW that is the title, making Orion some kind of a subtitle, and can be used with or without a colon in both full name and the shortening. It will keep the colons even in the shortening to set it apart from GDW.
GTLW works as well as GNG with the colons in the full name, and without in the shortening.
Exactly; those Swedish and Finnish DVD's are official ones, and they are as much official as the Japanese ones. Those you linked wouldn't be reliable for Ginga either. And neither is GingaSite anymore, as it hasn't been updated for years.
But that one is as reliable as the others of the ones we both linked, not much worth. And I don't take GingaPedia into this either, even if that one is one of the most reliable out there (though in Finnish), and they use the colon.
It's not a replace, but the official title of GNG outside of Japan. Therefore it shall be that. Even if "Ginga -Nagareboshi Gin-", or even "Ginga - Nagareboshi Gin" would work very well as well.
But it isn't official in non-Scandinavian countries. Put the colon on the Scandinavian Ginga wikis, not here. This is the English Ginga wiki. Unless an official ENGLISH DVD is released, the colon should not be added.
If I would get the Hungarian VHS/DVD it would be on there as well most likely. And Finland isn't part of Scandinavia either. Why deny these ones? I could say the same to you, if it ever comes out an official English DVD or manga of it without the colon, it shall be with a colon till then. As this Ginga Wiki stands for more then just English speakers, as English is the most know language people from other countries learn, this is a kind of World Wide Ginga Wiki.
I will talk this over with Blivery, and we two as admins will together have the final word of how to spell out the full name of GNG. Stay patience. ^^
That makes absolutely no sense, Blivery. Who are you to say what's right if you're only going by what YOU THINK is right YOURSELF? Is this another simple language barrier issue or are you seriously being hypocritical and insisting that you're some kind of "god" of Ginga who knows all?
Don't let this wiki become like the Warriors wiki, you two. Fictional dogs are NOT your day jobs! Me and my friends put too much work into this wiki ourselves to let it become the Warriors wiki Firestar dilemma all over again.
Being an admin doesn't make you a god and it doesn't make you wiser than anyone else. Don't be that kind of admin. I've seen it on four sites including Warriors Wiki, and it's absolutely disgusting.
I just said that what is right will be taken. I never talked about what is right. I dindn't deal with this topic for now. That was my comment to your sentence "the most people know it without the colon". I just said it doesn't depend on that or what other ginga sites say. calm down.
By the way, what do you mean with "it's absolutely disgusting"? what is so disgusting?
"What is right will be taken" makes absolutely no sense in English. That actually sounds a bit creepy imo. Listen, I know you're German, and English isn't your first language, but you can't expect me to always understand what you're trying to tell me if you're only partially fluent in English. :/
What's so disgusting? The way that admins and mods on some sites like the ones on FeralHeart and Warriors Wiki act. That's what's so disgusting. They're corrupt little germs that only care about themselves and think that being an admin/mod makes them some kind of royalty or god. I really, really despise them. They're truly awful people.
Ah, now I see xD No really, I'm sorry for my grammar sometimes. I wanted to say with this that everything what is correct and official will be in this wiki. for example if it's right that it's "ginga: nagareboshi gin", then we will take this. but if "ginga nagareboshi gin" is right we will take this.
I understand. We don't want to seem like that, we really want the best for the wiki. We are always open for compromises and proofs. We just want that this wiki is completely correct and reliable. that's why we want to prevent wrong headers or wrong information. It doesn't matter if the most people think different than it actually is. This wiki must be completely reliable.
We also can be wrong, but we first have to see this. Thats why we hold on to our opinions, also because we mostly take our information from official media. We don't want to fight or push through our opinion no matter what. We just try our best for this wiki. And if we're right, even if you don't like it, you have to accept it. The same applies to us. And if we really can't unify, then we'll ask other ginga fans on other ginga sites and then we'll see. Unfortunately, the community is very small in this wiki. Better to say, if someone is discussing then just me, tora and you. That makes it harder to come to a compromise too.
But like I already said I din't even deal with this problem for now, cause I'm very busy. The reason why I'm so inactive at the moment.
Keznen, you do an amazing job on editing here, as well as Kitsune21. You are all wonderful with helping this Wiki grow. The thing I think we ALL want; is to make this Wiki the most reliable source for Ginga and Yoshihiro Takahashi's work there is. And as there is no official English of Yoshi's work (exept the first 3 volumes of GDW by Comics One), any official names will be from those countries that have official works (manga and anime) of it, unless it is said in romaji in the Japanese manga/DVD itself. What it can be done with the non-official ways to spell names and such is to put it under Trivia or make a new Header for "Alternative spelling of the title/name" of what it can be if it ever will be other official translations.
I have no idea how it is on any Warriors Wiki or anything, as I'm never on there. But both me and Blivery are very open for suggestions and opinions. And love to come to a compromise that will work for all. This Wiki is for everyone. We never see ourself as surperior on here. But as an admin it is a kind of a "job" to keep an eye of a site. But a "job" that is done on free time. That's how it works on every site. We are not above anyone with knowledge, but we also work much behind the scenes tog get things right, as I very much think you all do too. We are all Ginga fans here. We all wants what's best for this Wiki, admin or no admin, right? As all of us put much work on this Wiki of Ginga to get it right.
Don't want to seem rude or something but someone must say anything and thats me now. You do good work here and you are one of the main users here, but some things are just not okay. I just always didn't say anything cause it's always the same, and that's stressing me. Because of that I'm almost doin nothing in this wiki though it could have so much potential.
It's time to bring finally some order in this messy wiki and there is no need to always ask you for permission. I don't even know who always acts up against the better here cause you're 3 people. All in all you are always the only member who change things back from us. I please you to first speak with us (me and User:Tora-dono) when we make a change on articles and not change it back cause you think it's right. At least we're admins and we already made good work on this wiki. You can always talk to us if you disagree with something but don't just do as you wish. When we make some changes here for the appearence it will be for the better. If it's a wrong information in the infobox and you really know that it's wrong, then okay change it, that would be no problem. But like I said, don't just change things back just cause you don't like it or something.
And if it's really just one person of you or whatever (it confuses me completely) then make an own account for you all so we know who we talk to. And so we could notice every voice of you three when it depends on decisions and not only one. But at least it's only up to you.
To your question: the uncolored manga pages are the main media of the manga. for every character there should be one colored (an current) pic as a "cover photo". Yeah the colored pics are beautiful but if people want to look at them they can do it in the gallery. The "order" of how it is now is terrible. Me and User:Tora-dono just waited for the right time to do something against it and also the rest in this wiki.
Hope you understand. Sooner or later one of us had wrote that to you anyways. You always have the right to tell us your opinion, the same in this case ;)
Then please keep it as “Color”. There’s no need to change the header name, especially not to something without uniform capitalization. Please always remember to capitalize the names of things. It looks messy otherwise. We’ve actually had to relocate several pages to new categories multiple times because of the capitalization of the categories being off.
What does capitalization mean? Can't answer on that. But there is no need to change the header, I just did cause it then don't look so stupidly when the other headers are in color too. But what am I talking about it got changed back anyways
Thanks for that, waited a long time that the other people here also realize that this was not riki's older brother. Me and Tora even had a diskussion about this that this never could be his "older" brother :D :)
From Chani's summery of volume 44 at end of chapter 4 from the Finnish translation for this page:
Hiro's puppies run after their father, "Good luck, dad! How many balls are you going to rip off?".
- "Well.. About fifty... Ha hah...", Hiro answers a bit awkwardly.
- "Tama, don't talk like that!", Reika scolds the pups, "Kin! You're not going anywhere!".
- "Ha hah... Kin and Tama...", Sasuke speaks to GB, "Isn't Reika embarrassed?". "Hiro is the one who came up with those names!", GB answers (Kintama means balls, literally "golden balls").
- Toshimitsu is about to go, too. "You can't go yet!", Cross calls him, "You need rest!".
- "I'll be fine", Toshimitsu answers, "A shinobi can survive a week without food and drink!".
Even "kintama" for balls/testicles are written in katakana, as well as Kin's and Tama's names. It's a pun/joke of Hiro's dirty mind. XD
We all wait with edit any gallery till October 6th when suggestions end and me and Blivery has descided how all shall be by the suggestions, please. And we will descide over next weekend, after we got all suggestions. To bad I can't tell unregistered members/guests that I also saw edit it.